Monday, December 10, 2012
Imitation The Sincerest Form Of Flattery
I noticed last week during the ASEAN Cup in KL the Malaysian fans were singing a few songs that would be familiar to Indonesian football fans. The same thing could be clearly heard during yesterday's Semi Final 1st Leg against the Thais.
There weren't enough visiting fans to fill a tuk tuk so it was down to the Malaysians to turn Bukit Jalil Stadium into a fortress and they did their best. And their best included a couple of Indonesian football songs with words amended of course.
Fair play to them. What football lad is going to sing the drivel you hear in the SLeague or the Thai Premier League? They're dross. The Indonesians though do have the best songs and make the best atmosphere. Better than Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia. There is no shame in using their songs.
That view however doesn't take into account the sometime strained relations between the two countries. An element of the Indonesian political elite, who may or may not go shopping in KL, are quick to blame Malaysia for anything be it abuse of migrant workers, stealing their culture or looking down on their bigger neighbours.
Malaysian football fans singing Indonesian football songs riles up a certain element of Indonesian nationalism. They may not know how to play gamelan, what Balinese masks mean or the names of the kings of Kediri but if they feel Malaysia mocking they get the face paint out.
There is a wonderful irony here. Many young Indonesian kids love K pop. I don't recall Koreans getting upset about them getting dressed up or copying the music. Many young Indonesians have woolen football scarves of English Premier League teams even though it never gets chilly enough for them in Jakarta. Celtic fans do a wonderful job singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' but you don't hear the Kop or Radgers & Hammestein getting too upset about it.
You want more? The Casual movement from the terraces of 1970s and 1980s UK. The Ultras come from Italy. Hamburgers come from Germany despite the claims of American fast food restaurants to the contrary.
It's called globalisation and it's be going on for centuries. Indonesian football fans should be proud another country rates their songs enough to echo them on their own terraces, not retreat into a petty, nationalist rhetoric .
UPDATE - I understand from Twitter that the song Ayo Indonesia, Kita Harus Menang was originally a Chilean football song. So, the Malaysians copied it from the Indonesians who copied it from the Chileans!
There weren't enough visiting fans to fill a tuk tuk so it was down to the Malaysians to turn Bukit Jalil Stadium into a fortress and they did their best. And their best included a couple of Indonesian football songs with words amended of course.
Fair play to them. What football lad is going to sing the drivel you hear in the SLeague or the Thai Premier League? They're dross. The Indonesians though do have the best songs and make the best atmosphere. Better than Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia. There is no shame in using their songs.
That view however doesn't take into account the sometime strained relations between the two countries. An element of the Indonesian political elite, who may or may not go shopping in KL, are quick to blame Malaysia for anything be it abuse of migrant workers, stealing their culture or looking down on their bigger neighbours.
Malaysian football fans singing Indonesian football songs riles up a certain element of Indonesian nationalism. They may not know how to play gamelan, what Balinese masks mean or the names of the kings of Kediri but if they feel Malaysia mocking they get the face paint out.
There is a wonderful irony here. Many young Indonesian kids love K pop. I don't recall Koreans getting upset about them getting dressed up or copying the music. Many young Indonesians have woolen football scarves of English Premier League teams even though it never gets chilly enough for them in Jakarta. Celtic fans do a wonderful job singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' but you don't hear the Kop or Radgers & Hammestein getting too upset about it.
You want more? The Casual movement from the terraces of 1970s and 1980s UK. The Ultras come from Italy. Hamburgers come from Germany despite the claims of American fast food restaurants to the contrary.
It's called globalisation and it's be going on for centuries. Indonesian football fans should be proud another country rates their songs enough to echo them on their own terraces, not retreat into a petty, nationalist rhetoric .
UPDATE - I understand from Twitter that the song Ayo Indonesia, Kita Harus Menang was originally a Chilean football song. So, the Malaysians copied it from the Indonesians who copied it from the Chileans!
# posted by Me @ 4:57 PM 
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More like the Ultras "borrowed" it from another league, which borrowed from the Chileans. Malaysians don't follow the Indonesian football scene, nor are they generally bothered about it.
not just Malaysian but Singaporean borrowed that song too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiwqAZNBV7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiwqAZNBV7w
yeap. Malaysians don't follow the Indonesian football scene, nor they generally bothered about it. malaysia didn't give a damn care about indonesia football scene. if malaysia copy something about hooligan culture malaysia copy from a country who have much more prominent football culture than malaysia like from europe and south america. they (european and south american) don't give a damn care if malaysia want imitate from them because it not affected them because our local football still far below their standard. like u sir an european urself don't care malaysia imitate european club songs because like u say 'It's called globalisation and it's be going on for centuries'. pity for indonesians be like that and have very narrow minded and hate when something not original from them taken by us but they easily stolen and imitate korean pop culture like they are innocent to do that. what a hypocrite society growing in our neighbour country. hope they still can be rescued to being rational and fair.
or are wrong democracy bullshit their practice are destroyed their morale and make them being very hypocrite. oh i don't know. i hope i can figure that out why they be such like this. think everything are owned by them even the truth they take it from other but clearly they take other country culture, but they do not see it. what more condemn their own blasphemy act.
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